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of UFO happy hour folks if there's one

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thing that you need to remember you

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never flashed a flashlight at a UFO it

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didn't end well for the allagash guys

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that it sure as hell didn't end well for

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Terry lovely this is somewhere in the

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skies

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all right today I have my favorite guy

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to pull up a barstool with after a long

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day of work for UFO happy hour and that

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is Rob Kristofferson Rob how you doing

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my man I'm doing good how are you I am

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good man coming off the heels of world

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UFO day happy world UFO day

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yes ain't you man it's it's a glorious

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day you know and it falls in line with

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you know the general timescale for when

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the Roswell crash happened so you know

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it's festive it's it's a very festive

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week here it is very festive well

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speaking of that what are you drinking

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today for happy hour

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so I toned it I toned it down a little

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bit it's still we're still drinking beer

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but it's root beer and not not just any

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root beer

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beer around seriously folks if you don't

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if you you got to get your hands on this

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root beer it's it's great it's not it's

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not like mug where it'll where it's like

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very it'll leave you gassy this doesn't

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do that I couldn't agree more being from

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upstate New York myself like that's what

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I grew up on man and I actually I

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actually went on like a root beer

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excursion throughout the country when I

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was uh in my younger days acting on the

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road and I would try a root beer in

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every like city in town I went to that

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was like my thing and it was it was

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really cool I got to try all these local

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brews and everything but I always came

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back to Saranac that was always my

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favorite yeah you you really can't go

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wrong with it and I mean you you don't

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live you grew up not far from where they

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brew the stuff so exactly yeah yeah it

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was awesome well good well okay so I

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guess I'm the alcoholic of the two of us

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um I have with me I found this beer at a

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craft beer bar here in New York and dude

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I was stunned when I saw it so about a

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month ago I covered the UM the herb

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Shermer incident on the show and at the

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time they had a beer that was coming out

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commemorating the event and I found it

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here in New York City oh no way

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I I was stunned when I saw it in the

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refrigerator it comes from broken Bose

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Brewing Company and it's called you'll

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like this the star snake tank IPA that's

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great I'm sure you get the reference

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it's inspired by the emblem then yep

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Sherman remember seeing on the uniforms

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of the aliens that invited him aboard

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their craft so I I was just astounded so

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I've got it in front of me I'm gonna pop

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it open as we get into our conversation

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here but um happy world UFO day Rob and

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I'm glad you brought up the Roswell

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incident when it came to that because I

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wanted to know where this all came from

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people just started sort of posting this

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on their social networks and everything

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and I wanted to know where did world UFO

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day come from and al-jazeera actually

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did a pretty good write-up on this I

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said I'm just gonna run through this

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briefly if you don't mind oh yeah man

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yeah a little crash course here in world

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UFO day it's defined by the world UFO

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day organization actually the world UFO

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day is a day dedicated to the existence

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of UFOs it aims to raise awareness about

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the existence of UFOs and with that

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intelligent beings from outer space

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encouraging people to think about the

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possibility of us not being alone in the

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universe it's also a way to encourage

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governments to declassify their files on

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supposedly UFO sightings and you'd

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mentioned Roswell so originally you

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world UFO day was celebrated on June

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24th data of Kenneth Arnold sighting

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what they ended up doing is they wanted

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to merge two of the most sort of famous

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events at the time Kenneth Arnold and

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Roswell and just have it in July you

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know when everyone's out doing their

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barbecues and it's a hundred and two

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degrees out and you're drinking a cold

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beer so I thought that was pretty cool

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and now we know where world UFO day came

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from so thank you al Jazeera

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yeah absolutely you just got learned

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people you got hurt well you've been

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doing a lot of learning too lately man

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I've been following you on Twitter and

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it's been such an amazing enlightening

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time for your Twitter

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like you can always tell when Rob is

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really getting heavy into his research

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because you start posting all these like

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photos no one's ever seen before from

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all these like books from like 10 20 30

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years ago so I love it dude oh yeah man

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it's I I get giddy with the research

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because we have more research resources

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than ever

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I mean online in books and like

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hindsight's you know 2020 man especially

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right now where we are in 2019 looking

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back on all these incidents and stuff

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it's it's been kind of a really fun

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learning experience I can imagine and

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again it's so exciting following someone

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like you're on Twitter especially as UFO

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researchers who get so you know dog down

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with dates and times and you know this

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that debunking this and it gets so like

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it could be draining and kind of boring

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to be honest so when you see someone

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like you excited to dig into these old

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cases like it just reinvigorates

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everyone in the community so I got a

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thank you for that first of all well you

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know it's it's fun and I love sharing

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the wealth so I'm happy to do it and you

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know you did bring up a good point we're

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in 2019 now there is a lot going on when

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it comes to the Stars and a tip these

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revelations which we'll get to towards

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the end here but everyone is looking at

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this now from a military angle you know

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with the Navy and everything but there's

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all these cases involving people that

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aren't part of the military so we have

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to keep that in mind when we're looking

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at this that most UFO sightings were not

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seen by the military and that sort of

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comes in the form of one of the ones I

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wanted to talk with you about first here

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and that is this Brazilian kick you've

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been on Lee so what cases really stick

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out to you how did you how did in how

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did this lead you to on what I saw you

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posting about recently about the 1954

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French UFO flap I have a Brazilian

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friend her name is Fabi and she kind of

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for Brazilian UFO cases because they're

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really really kind of extreme in many

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ways to give kind of a comparison in

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July June 24th you know 1947 Kenneth

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Arnold sees the nine objects well a

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month after that Brazil has its first

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humanoid sighting so while we're just

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seeing UFOs in the sky

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Brazil's seeing some really extreme

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stuff the first humanoid sighting in

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Brazil was by a man named Jose E Hagins

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he sees this craft and he sees these

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really tall really weird-looking aliens

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get out they're kind of they want him to

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come aboard their ship but he doesn't

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want to and he tries to convince them

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that you know he's he's got a family

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here he doesn't want to go anywhere so

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the aliens leave them alone and then

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they just start frolicking around for

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whatever reason it's very reminiscent

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kind of of like the Kelly Hopkinsville

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encounter or if you're familiar with the

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Mojave incident yeah where they were

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just these really strange look at beings

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they were just like they described them

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as frolicking around and and you know

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childlike in a certain way but I I

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decided I wanted to do some cases from

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Brazil and there's always kind of like

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three classic ones that always come to

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mind there's the abduction of Antonio

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Villas Boas there's the culeros

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sightings in 1977 which is where we get

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the Koopas from the rectangular looking

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UFOs that supposedly shot beams down at

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people and hurt them and the third one

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is the VAR Shinya incident in 1996 but I

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was just perusing old issues of flying

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saucer review online and they really

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provided the most in-depth coverage of

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the Antonio V s bovis incident so

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any time I would see a lava fountas who

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was Brazilian doctor he was the APRA

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representative aerial phenomenon

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Research Organisation any time I'd see

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an article by him I'd just pull it and

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there's one from 1961 and it's called

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Brazil under UFO survey and it's just

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you know perusing it a little bit and

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there's a line that a sentence that says

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the sightings followed a straight line

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pattern first discovered by Amy Michelle

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in France in 1954 see his book flying

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saucers and the straight line mystery

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and it just got really curious like

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straight line mystery what the hell are

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you talking about man UFOs and straight

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lines that's kind of weird so I kind of

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put it aside a little bit and did some

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research on the Brazil stuff and it was

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probably like a month month and a half

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ago I stumble across this blog post it's

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about a really strange law that was

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passed in France in 1955 that basically

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banned UFOs from flying over this town

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it's called shut enough do pop a it's in

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southern France and it was in response

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to this 1954 flap in France and it was

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kind of the first flap that featured

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humanoids and what people often describe

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seeing was these short three to four

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foot tall humanoid beings they were

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wearing what they called diving suits

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we've just seized metallic-looking suits

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that was reminiscent of you know the

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stuff before Jacques Cousteau came along

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and gave us the scuba gear and all that

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good stuff and they were often seen and

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near small craft oftentimes working on

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it and one thing that they also reported

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that was kind of startling is that these

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UFOs would paralyze these people many

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times more often than that which kind of

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relates to some of the stuff that goes

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on in Brazil but

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it was in that that really just got

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interested in in this straight line

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mystery thing so I ended up finding a

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copy of a Michele's flying saucers in

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the straight line mystery not a cheap

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book if you want to find a folks I think

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I paid like I paddled with an eBay

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seller to get it down to like thirty

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dollars you were looking at that by the

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way I try I do my best

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I am extremely envious of your UFO

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library it's just you know you get a tip

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and it's like oh hey I gotta go find

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that book so it's it's an addiction it

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really is it is and you know a lot of

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books aren't in print these days or

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they're through you know publishers that

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are very dubious that I'm not really

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totally safe with but very good point

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yeah but what you find in France in 54

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and and I give a lot of respect to the

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independent investigators because that's

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where most of this information comes

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from this stuff was investigated by Amy

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Michelle and I think one other guy and

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they collected over I want to say four

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hundred reports and though and then like

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the reporting was so good that Amy

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Michelle was actually able to take UFO

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sightings on a certain day and able to

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track it and they would always go in

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these straight line patterns from you

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know place to place to place place and

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the time frame generally matched up and

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everything and he this book is mostly

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about you know plotting all of this

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along and giving you all of these UFO

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sightings and if you want kind of a

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teaser on many of these sightings all

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you have to do is go to passport some

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ago Nia and Jacques palais has a lot of

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them in there interesting okay yeah but

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it was so fascinating to see that he was

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able to that the reporting was so good

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that he was able to track that in

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straight-line patterns and olavo Fontes

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was able to do the same thing in brazil

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he was noting in 1957 and 1960 that

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with the UFO sightings that they were

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getting they were moving in straight

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lines and he has some very interesting

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graphs in in flying saucer review and it

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it looks like a jumble of like lines and

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stuff but there it's all in straight

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line patterns and Amy Michelle was also

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able to link that to the 1957 flap in

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the United States that includes the

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famous levelin sighting in Texas that

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was kind of around the time when UFO

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started shutting off car engines right

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what's interesting about that and it

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kind of it kind of begins with Antonia

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vs boas himself but it has this it's

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almost like an analogue kind of way

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because when you look at his abduction

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account it's very there isn't a lot of

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like real authentic hi strangest to it

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when he eventually like to go into the

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basics of it Antonio vs Boas he was a 23

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year old farmer and he was living on his

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family farm at the time he was plowing a

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field at one o'clock in the morning as

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you do when you're living in Brazil

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because it's hot as hell and he had seen

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UFOs on previous occasions including the

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night before but he sees this red light

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in the sky it comes down really fast and

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it kind of cuts his tractor off from the

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the road leading to his house to

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actually get away from it and he makes

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this split-second decision that he's

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gonna try to you know outrun it anyway

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his tractor dies unfortunately so he

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makes a run for it

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doesn't make it long before he gets

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tackled by the short humanoid and he

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said it came to about his shoulder and

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he pushed it away and he continued

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running and made it about 20 feet before

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he was tackled by three more figures

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they dragged him on board a UFO they

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stripped him naked they

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took blood from his chin which seems

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like a really odd place to take blood

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but yeah you know we'll go with it he

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had sex with a female alien being or at

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least that's how he claims it yeah and

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not once but twice yeah this was not a

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one-night stand no it was he had some

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very personal feelings and when she

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rejected him the third time but you know

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like you'll have that he's so sensitive

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yes he's very sensitive but they also

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toured him around the UFO and then they

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let him out and took off and apparently

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he was on this UFO for like four and a

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half hours okay but what he found when

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he went back to his tractor is that when

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he tried to start it up he couldn't and

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then when he looked in the engine he

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just realized it's that one of the

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battery terminals was unplugged so it's

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very like it's almost like a proto kind

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of abduction because it's not really

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there isn't a lot of there isn't psychic

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elements to it he claimed that the

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beings he interacted with they had a

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very primitive language they that he

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said they sounded like dogs barking

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almost and yeah it's it kind of starts

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right there with Antonia vs Boas and

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then after that you start to see flood

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of reports of UFOs shutting off cars

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it's very weird

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yes and the thing that we stuck out to

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me about his cases this happened well

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before the Betty and Barney Hill case in

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my career for years for years so there

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you go I mean everyone thinks that they

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were sort of the start of this

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phenomenon that was starting to pop up

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everywhere but well yeah it you bring up

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a good point though you know it was

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pretty pretty straightforward in some

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respects but um that that almost says

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more to me that he's not he's not

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exaggerating anything he's like this

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what happened this is what I saw and

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this

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how they communicated so yeah

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fascinating case yeah and unfortunately

404
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they didn't believe him when they when

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he went in fountas had his reservations

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and there was a journalist that he

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initially got in contact with named John

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Martin see he kind of he was the kind of

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the UFO journalist for this magazine

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called Oh crucero I think is how it's

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pronounced but he didn't believe his

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story at all and either this guy is

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really imaginative because when you read

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his affidavit it's like a 13-page

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affidavit is full of so much detail the

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guy didn't really miss a beat and he did

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he had conscious recall of everything so

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it that makes it stand out as a very

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strange kind of abduction that almost

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seems more human kind of in a way like

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the perpetrators may have been human but

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and there's conspiracies like that but

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yeah it's it's a very strange case the

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whole Brazil thing there's so much rich

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UFO history when it comes to Brazil so

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I'm glad someone's seeking it out I do

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want to go back for a minute they'll Rob

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you brought up these laws in France um

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I've got to read these really quick if

430
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you don't mind yeah this is hilarious

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okay so in 1954 here's the law of the

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overflight the landing and the takeoff

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of aircraft known as flying saucers are

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flying cigars whatever their nationality

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is are prohibited on the territory of

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the community article 2 any aircraft

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known as flying saucers flying cigar

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which should land on the territory of

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the community will immediately be held

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in custody

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article 3 the forest officer and the

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city policemen are in charge each one in

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what relates to him of the execution of

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this decree so there you go man city

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policemen are in charge of a UFO lands

446
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it's fun to watch these laws pop up in

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like random places that have

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to do with like UFOs Washington there's

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a county in Washington that has a

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Bigfoot law that basically says if they

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when they examine the animal if it turns

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out to be more human you're gonna be

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charged basically with manslaughter so

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well in we know John Green while - over

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at the black vote he's found many

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documents throughout history where like

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either the army or like the fire

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department there's like contingency

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plans if a UFO is found it's crazy yeah

460
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absolutely there was before Dave Politis

461
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became the missing for one one guy his

462
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thing was researching Bigfoot he ended

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up staying in interviewing many of the

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Hupa people which are in northern

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california getting their statements but

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in the beginning of his book it's called

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the Hupa project he talks about how

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there is a I want to say there's like a

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US Army Corps of Engineers map that has

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big foot on it and listing it as like a

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potential threat to like deforestation

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and you know like like it would we would

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be like a threat to them if we decided

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to DeForest in certain areas so it was

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kind of interesting and then it has kind

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of a funny cartoon underneath it and it

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says something like Bigfoot does not

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exist and we shouldn't be putting stuff

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in there like that or something like

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that it's kind of funny that's awesome

481
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yeah Bigfoot's make it a comeback lately

482
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in the mainstream media - so yes it's

483
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pretty cool well one of the other cases

484
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rather wanted to cover with you here is

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you tweeted recently about a case in New

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Jersey back on back in our neck of the

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woods here that involved a hefty amount

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of aliens so can you maybe run us

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through this case and what you found

490
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most interesting about it oh yeah this

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is a fun little case from 1975

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like a whole nine months before the

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Travis Walton abduction and it's I first

494
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first read about it in Budd Hopkins

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missing time and it's in this like Park

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in North Bergen New Jersey now if you're

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in Manhattan and you're standing on West

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89th Street you can look across the

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Hudson River and you can see kind of the

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landmark in the area where this happened

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it happened near this circular apartment

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building called the Stonehenge which at

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the time it was pretty it was pretty

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much brand-new it wasn't open that long

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it was very modern looking I mean

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looking at it now it's it's not like you

507
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have many round apartment buildings he

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stays but it's and if you want to get

509
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really technical it's New Jersey's 42nd

510
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tallest building there you go man doing

511
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the deep research oh yeah but basically

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Budd Hopkins at the time in 1976 there

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sorry 1975 November 1975 he he has a

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studio right across the street from this

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liquor store and as he would you know

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would have it he would go at the end of

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the day you don't usually go over buy a

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bottle of wine or something like that

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something bougie because I mean it's fun

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Hopkins he's an artist you know it's

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just yeah it's just this nature and yeah

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he rolls in sometime in mid November

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1975 and the guy at the counter his

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name's George Oh Barsky means he's

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co-owns the building he's mumbling about

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you you never know when something's

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00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:34,620
gonna come out of the sky near you and

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startle you and stuff like that and you

529
00:25:44,540 --> 00:25:38,370
know it catches Budd Hopkins attention

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now this is November 75 so if I'm I'm

531
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wondering why this guy's babbling about

532
00:25:49,910 --> 00:25:48,600
this I'm wondering if you know he may

533
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have saw something about travel

534
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Walton because it was you know around

535
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:56,640
this time so but you know starts asking

536
00:26:03,950 --> 00:25:58,860
him you know a little bit about this and

537
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:03,960
you know it's busy a busy liquor store

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so he comes back he's got his recorder

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and Giorgio Barsky tells him this story

540
00:26:15,530 --> 00:26:12,750
about how in January of 75 he's closed

541
00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:15,540
up shop he's driving home he lives in

542
00:26:20,030 --> 00:26:18,270
North Bergen New Jersey and he cuts

543
00:26:22,220 --> 00:26:20,040
through this park called the North

544
00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:22,230
Hudson Park and it's just kind of this

545
00:26:30,050 --> 00:26:27,150
random park it's it stands out in the

546
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,060
middle of a you big city but it's got

547
00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:32,880
playing fields of all kinds got a little

548
00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:36,230
lake in it and it's right across from

549
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:39,960
this apartment building called the

550
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:43,710
Stonehenge so he's cutting through the

551
00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:46,290
park on his way home when he sees this

552
00:26:51,790 --> 00:26:49,380
really bright light coming past him I'm

553
00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:51,800
basically keeping pace with his car and

554
00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:54,900
it lands in a field nearby

555
00:27:01,820 --> 00:26:58,860
now George stops his car and he and he

556
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:01,830
just watches it and this object it's

557
00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:05,580
like 30 feet long it's very weird it's

558
00:27:11,270 --> 00:27:08,430
like a dome kind of structure with these

559
00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:11,280
windows that are all around the side and

560
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:16,760
he sees this ladder come down and these

561
00:27:22,220 --> 00:27:20,340
10 alien beings getting out he described

562
00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:22,230
them pretty much this like short greys

563
00:27:30,140 --> 00:27:25,470
and they're all carrying a small shovel

564
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:30,150
and a bag and they all start digging in

565
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:31,860
the ground and they fill up these bags

566
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:35,520
and it's very kind of robotic they're

567
00:27:39,770 --> 00:27:37,170
very systematic in the way that they do

568
00:27:42,650 --> 00:27:39,780
this and they got the job job done with

569
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:42,660
inform about four minutes and then boom

570
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:46,980
the craft takes off so o'Barr skis

571
00:27:54,620 --> 00:27:51,050
naturally shaken up he goes home he

572
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:54,630
takes a couple aspirin and he tries to

573
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:57,000
fall asleep and eventually does next

574
00:28:02,420 --> 00:27:59,880
morning goes out goes to this park and

575
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:02,430
he's thinking that it must have been a

576
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:03,610
dream or something

577
00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:07,450
like that and he goes and he finds 15

578
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:11,350
holes in the ground around the area

579
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:14,170
where these aliens were digging the

580
00:28:19,970 --> 00:28:17,770
ground up and he pops a couple more

581
00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:19,980
aspirin he's a little more nervous and

582
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:22,120
you know he kind of keeps it to himself

583
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:26,049
for he did he literally didn't tell

584
00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:27,730
anybody including his son who was living

585
00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:31,630
with him and until that day when bud cop

586
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:34,950
but Hopkins comes in and Budd Hopkins

587
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:38,110
you know this is his early days as an

588
00:28:43,470 --> 00:28:40,210
investigator and he's like well I need

589
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:43,480
resources so II context had blocker and

590
00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:47,530
a guy named Jerry story I think is his

591
00:28:51,659 --> 00:28:50,200
name he was a member of MUFON and they

592
00:28:54,090 --> 00:28:51,669
investigated the hell out of this case

593
00:28:55,860 --> 00:28:54,100
they found an eyewitness at the

594
00:28:58,289 --> 00:28:55,870
Stonehenge apartment building that

595
00:29:04,440 --> 00:28:58,299
worked the door who saw a light on that

596
00:29:07,890 --> 00:29:04,450
night and apparently around the time

597
00:29:10,860 --> 00:29:07,900
that this craft was departing it ended

598
00:29:12,060 --> 00:29:10,870
up that they heard like a sound what he

599
00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:12,070
were heard like a sound wave or

600
00:29:17,789 --> 00:29:14,950
something like that and it shattered

601
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:17,799
part of the glass on the front door of

602
00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:22,110
the building he hit yeah and prior to

603
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:25,240
this incident about a week before that

604
00:29:31,049 --> 00:29:27,910
there was a family a few blocks down

605
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:31,059
that saw this weird object passed by

606
00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:34,240
their window there were so you know

607
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:36,790
amazed by it they all ran outside their

608
00:29:40,289 --> 00:29:38,620
house some of them weren't even wearing

609
00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:40,299
shoes and they chased this thing down

610
00:29:48,299 --> 00:29:45,340
the block that is dedication oh yeah

611
00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:48,309
pure pure dedication but like basically

612
00:29:53,610 --> 00:29:51,640
it's one of the probably best

613
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:53,620
investigated cases that you'll ever read

614
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,799
you can go on to Kew Phocis website and

615
00:30:00,720 --> 00:29:58,960
there's a great write-up in there

616
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:00,730
I think they housed it under their

617
00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:03,370
abduction papers and there's kind of a

618
00:30:08,190 --> 00:30:06,669
question interest maybe maybe Oh Barsky

619
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:08,200
was abducted because there's a little

620
00:30:14,430 --> 00:30:10,809
bit of a time difference there but you

621
00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:14,440
know can't be totally sure but yeah that

622
00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:17,470
was it's one very straight

623
00:30:22,289 --> 00:30:19,150
is a populated area heavily populated

624
00:30:24,539 --> 00:30:22,299
area in North Bergen is a decent sized

625
00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:24,549
City and not to mention you're right

626
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:26,169
across from like one of the biggest

627
00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:28,570
cities in the world yeah exactly I know

628
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:30,280
everyone thinks these things happen in

629
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:33,490
very you know rural areas but no we got

630
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:36,490
them here in the city as well right yeah

631
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:38,350
absolutely I mean you you talked about

632
00:30:45,899 --> 00:30:42,250
having a sighting second sighting

633
00:30:48,779 --> 00:30:45,909
yourself III saw the the youth video

634
00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:48,789
yeah dude yeah that was my second and

635
00:30:54,029 --> 00:30:51,070
only other UFO sighting that I can

636
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,039
really think of at least but um yeah it

637
00:31:00,390 --> 00:30:56,559
was so cool to have to have Jim here and

638
00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:00,400
Carl to be there on the rooftop with me

639
00:31:05,159 --> 00:31:02,950
where we're you know right off the block

640
00:31:06,330 --> 00:31:05,169
where I saw this thing but yeah we see

641
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:06,340
them here in the city all the time the

642
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,130
problem is there's so much aircraft over

643
00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:11,200
us then like you never know

644
00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:12,760
you just never know I remember I

645
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:14,440
downloaded an app where you could see

646
00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:16,210
every plane in the air

647
00:31:21,450 --> 00:31:19,240
and I just flicked it on one random

648
00:31:24,990 --> 00:31:21,460
night and there was literally I think it

649
00:31:28,409 --> 00:31:25,000
says something like 300 flights right

650
00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:28,419
out of me oh god it's I don't know how

651
00:31:34,529 --> 00:31:30,700
that many planes can be coming in and

652
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:34,539
out of both either LaGuardia JFK Newark

653
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:39,010
I don't know without crashing it's

654
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:43,840
beyond me yeah yeah I don't want my head

655
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:44,289
around that

656
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:46,330
that's wild it's too much man but yeah

657
00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:48,610
whatever I saw that night I I still

658
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,440
think it was probably a satellite just

659
00:31:55,169 --> 00:31:53,200
its movement and the way I tracked it

660
00:31:57,659 --> 00:31:55,179
and everything but yeah it definitely

661
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,669
like shot up into the sky and kind of

662
00:32:02,340 --> 00:31:59,580
disappeared so that's when I was like

663
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:02,350
what like either my eyes play tricks on

664
00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:05,049
me or this satellite had some sort of

665
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:09,750
like thrust to it beyond what it had so

666
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:13,620
but this isn't about me Rob this is it

667
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:17,110
these four people in New Jersey running

668
00:32:26,490 --> 00:32:24,159
barefoot after a UFO yeah it's amazing

669
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:26,500
that they were actually able to find as

670
00:32:30,749 --> 00:32:28,860
many eyewitnesses to this and like right

671
00:32:32,069 --> 00:32:30,759
they just and

672
00:32:34,439 --> 00:32:32,079
they did it old school they went

673
00:32:37,579 --> 00:32:34,449
door-to-door they bugged everybody that

674
00:32:39,869 --> 00:32:37,589
they could at the at the Stonehenge and

675
00:32:42,689 --> 00:32:39,879
you know they they just tracked down

676
00:32:45,449 --> 00:32:42,699
leads there was why I believe one of the

677
00:32:48,629 --> 00:32:45,459
members of that family was they were at

678
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,639
a UFO talk that somebody was given it

679
00:32:52,919 --> 00:32:50,320
might have been Ted Walker himself but

680
00:32:55,349 --> 00:32:52,929
they came up and said oh we we saw

681
00:32:58,619 --> 00:32:55,359
something you know on this day and we

682
00:33:00,359 --> 00:32:58,629
chased it down the street yeah that's a

683
00:33:02,430 --> 00:33:00,369
good point though like doing the due

684
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:02,440
diligence when it comes to investigating

685
00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:04,089
these things I know you had John Tenney

686
00:33:08,609 --> 00:33:06,190
on the show recently and he brought up a

687
00:33:10,469 --> 00:33:08,619
good point he said you know I had these

688
00:33:12,269 --> 00:33:10,479
humanoid sightings happening in this

689
00:33:14,369 --> 00:33:12,279
town so what did I do

690
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:14,379
I went door-to-door and tried to ask

691
00:33:18,449 --> 00:33:16,329
other people if they'd seen anything and

692
00:33:18,989 --> 00:33:18,459
like you never hear about people doing

693
00:33:21,959 --> 00:33:18,999
that anymore

694
00:33:24,209 --> 00:33:21,969
it's either posted on Facebook anyone

695
00:33:26,819 --> 00:33:24,219
see this or you know you just hope that

696
00:33:29,479 --> 00:33:26,829
someone finds you but no there's people

697
00:33:32,489 --> 00:33:29,489
are going out there and doing the work

698
00:33:35,189 --> 00:33:32,499
yeah it's important because I mean like

699
00:33:37,859 --> 00:33:35,199
that when you go knock on somebody's

700
00:33:40,259 --> 00:33:37,869
door you're showing them that you're

701
00:33:42,329 --> 00:33:40,269
taking the time that this is important

702
00:33:46,829 --> 00:33:42,339
and that what they have to say is

703
00:33:49,739 --> 00:33:46,839
important so the it's it's kind it's

704
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:49,749
it's important to do because what you

705
00:33:53,999 --> 00:33:51,849
see that MUFON investigators do and I

706
00:33:56,099 --> 00:33:54,009
understand they don't have time to get

707
00:33:59,579 --> 00:33:56,109
out and investigate like a bunch of

708
00:34:03,449 --> 00:33:59,589
cases but most of the time it's an email

709
00:34:05,549 --> 00:34:03,459
a phone call and that's it yeah yeah I

710
00:34:08,430 --> 00:34:05,559
know it's it's the digital age we live

711
00:34:10,109 --> 00:34:08,440
in it's good and bad at times but even I

712
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:10,119
find myself doing the same thing I'm

713
00:34:16,139 --> 00:34:13,839
like I don't want to go to you know I

714
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:16,149
don't even want to go to New Jersey to

715
00:34:24,269 --> 00:34:21,730
interview someone but now put the

716
00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:24,279
working guys put the work in well here's

717
00:34:29,129 --> 00:34:26,200
another one you recently covered on the

718
00:34:32,309 --> 00:34:29,139
hour strange skies podcast Rob ISM Terry

719
00:34:36,299 --> 00:34:32,319
Lovelace this case I recently had him on

720
00:34:38,909 --> 00:34:36,309
a bonus episode of my show and it was an

721
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:38,919
interview conducted by longtime listener

722
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:40,609
mind Daniel Island

723
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:42,710
I had him as sort of a correspondent I

724
00:34:46,809 --> 00:34:44,270
would had contact in the desert and

725
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:46,819
that's where he he got to meet Terry

726
00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:48,800
Lovelace so a shout out to Daniel for

727
00:34:54,220 --> 00:34:50,899
his awesome correspondence work first of

728
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:54,230
all but I know that you you did a really

729
00:34:58,990 --> 00:34:56,510
good dive into this case so would you

730
00:35:01,300 --> 00:34:59,000
mind maybe running us through the basics

731
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:01,310
of it I know that's probably hard to do

732
00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:04,640
if there are any basics to it and your

733
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:06,920
impressions of this case I know we're

734
00:35:12,839 --> 00:35:09,680
gonna get him on eventually Terry's kind

735
00:35:16,809 --> 00:35:12,849
of an interesting person just because he

736
00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:16,819
represents this new age of experiencers

737
00:35:20,109 --> 00:35:18,500
in the way that they get their stories

738
00:35:23,859 --> 00:35:20,119
out there and and that's through

739
00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:23,869
self-publishing so if you look at a lot

740
00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:28,670
of experience or stories they are

741
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,470
through self-published works

742
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:32,720
sherry wild self-published her book I

743
00:35:38,819 --> 00:35:35,359
believe there's a there's a few others

744
00:35:42,670 --> 00:35:38,829
that come to mind but Terry's kind of

745
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:42,680
leading the pack and at least lately and

746
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:45,290
I think the reason is is because his

747
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:49,280
story is very strange it's very kind of

748
00:35:58,359 --> 00:35:55,490
relatable too but there's also not a ton

749
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:58,369
of detail at times and then it's kind of

750
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:02,000
juxtaposed with a lot of detail of about

751
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:04,730
one incident but for Terry the story

752
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:07,910
kind of begins in October of 2012

753
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:11,599
Terry was and he probably still is an

754
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:13,910
avid jogger and it's kind of funny to

755
00:36:19,329 --> 00:36:15,530
read in this book how his dad has

756
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,339
objections about him jogging but I mean

757
00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:21,680
it was a different time the early 1980s

758
00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:24,470
jogging was new and you kind of asked

759
00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:27,380
Terry a good question why do you want to

760
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:29,270
run if no one's chasing you and it's

761
00:36:35,050 --> 00:36:31,970
kind of this very prescient you Bickett

762
00:36:36,370 --> 00:36:35,060
ubiquitous question like why the heck

763
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:36,380
would you want to do that what the heck

764
00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:39,200
you're running from and then he proceeds

765
00:36:48,130 --> 00:36:45,670
to lay out that in October of 2012 he

766
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:48,140
often when he was running his right knee

767
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:50,210
there was a spot above his right knee I

768
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:53,810
would often go numb which is not

769
00:37:00,640 --> 00:36:57,170
something you hear happening to most

770
00:37:02,530 --> 00:37:00,650
runners and he he initially had it too

771
00:37:05,230 --> 00:37:02,540
checked out and the doctor basically

772
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:05,240
said well if it ain't broke don't worry

773
00:37:08,350 --> 00:37:06,010
about it

774
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:08,360
it doesn't cause you pain it's not a

775
00:37:14,350 --> 00:37:12,530
problem so he goes on runs for years and

776
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:14,360
years and years and years and then one

777
00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:16,370
morning he wakes up with this incredible

778
00:37:23,650 --> 00:37:19,880
pain in his leg and his wife Sheila

779
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:23,660
drives him to the emergency room they

780
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:27,970
take an x-ray and they find basically a

781
00:37:34,450 --> 00:37:31,280
it's like I'm um looks like a piece of

782
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:34,460
metal the long thin piece of metal and

783
00:37:40,540 --> 00:37:38,450
they also find this very strange like

784
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:40,550
circular pattern of what they called

785
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:43,610
bone but it's like laid out in this like

786
00:37:53,310 --> 00:37:49,610
floral type pattern so for this causes

787
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:53,320
Terry to kind of remember a lot of

788
00:37:59,410 --> 00:37:55,970
strange incidents from his past that

789
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,420
goes back to when he was eight years old

790
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:01,040
and even younger you would talk about

791
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:03,290
these experiences what with what he

792
00:38:09,250 --> 00:38:05,930
called the monkey Ben and they were

793
00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:09,260
these shadowy figures that would dart

794
00:38:15,970 --> 00:38:12,380
around his bedroom on certain nights and

795
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:15,980
when they would come out into the light

796
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:17,930
from like the moon or something they

797
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:20,330
would have these they looked very much

798
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:24,530
like a short bipedal kind of like a grey

799
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:27,260
but their face was more monkey like and

800
00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:31,280
then her eyes were yellow and he they

801
00:38:36,070 --> 00:38:33,320
would always ask him you know come out

802
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:36,080
and play with us and Terry wasn't having

803
00:38:41,830 --> 00:38:38,450
any of it so he just screams screams

804
00:38:43,810 --> 00:38:41,840
lungs out and this would happen for you

805
00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:43,820
know a good portion of his childhood and

806
00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:46,760
he would have you know a few UFO

807
00:38:52,570 --> 00:38:49,300
experiences there was one during the day

808
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:52,580
when he was just outside playing with a

809
00:38:58,330 --> 00:38:55,330
bow and arrow and there's a UFO that

810
00:39:00,400 --> 00:38:58,340
just kind of comes over and hangs around

811
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:00,410
him for a little while he lays back on

812
00:39:05,470 --> 00:39:01,970
the grass and watches it for a little

813
00:39:07,650 --> 00:39:05,480
bit and then it shoots off then a couple

814
00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:07,660
months later he has this

815
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:11,270
seize this series of lights that are

816
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:13,310
coming through underneath his drapes and

817
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:16,010
he shoots out of bed he's kind of

818
00:39:21,460 --> 00:39:18,110
apathetic at first which is something

819
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,470
you know a lot of UFO witnesses kind of

820
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:24,400
report being this like indifference and

821
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:28,930
he's been teased a lot by his sister and

822
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:32,090
he kind of wants proof so he can hear

823
00:39:36,610 --> 00:39:34,340
this low humming sound also that's

824
00:39:39,130 --> 00:39:36,620
coming through with it and it vibrates

825
00:39:41,350 --> 00:39:39,140
the entire room so much that a bottle

826
00:39:44,530 --> 00:39:41,360
plane that's on his dresser just falls

827
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:44,540
off onto the floor he's like if it stays

828
00:39:51,010 --> 00:39:47,330
there I know this is proof well okay and

829
00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:51,020
then and then he goes to the window and

830
00:39:57,090 --> 00:39:52,940
actually gets a look at this thing and

831
00:40:00,220 --> 00:39:57,100
it's a you know your classic saucer UFO

832
00:40:02,860 --> 00:40:00,230
shooting out these green and yellow

833
00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:02,870
lights and such and he's like I'll

834
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:04,790
sweeten the pot by messing up the drapes

835
00:40:07,540 --> 00:40:07,040
and that way I'll know this really

836
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,550
happened

837
00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:10,160
so does that he wakes up the next

838
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:11,990
morning and the way that he describes it

839
00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:14,960
is like the moment he hits his head hits

840
00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:18,830
the pillow it's like a switch in the and

841
00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:21,380
then it's daylight and he just wakes up

842
00:40:25,630 --> 00:40:23,420
like he didn't get any sleep at all and

843
00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:25,640
the model plane still in the floor the

844
00:40:33,130 --> 00:40:27,020
drapes are still messed up so that's

845
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:33,140
proof for him but as he progresses he

846
00:40:39,940 --> 00:40:37,130
yes less sightings as his teenage years

847
00:40:45,810 --> 00:40:39,950
go by and after he graduates from high

848
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:45,820
school he enlists in the Air Force and

849
00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:49,850
he's basically an Army medic that's what

850
00:40:53,470 --> 00:40:51,260
he specialized in that's what he got

851
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:53,480
training in and he's stationed at

852
00:40:58,960 --> 00:40:56,810
Whiteman Air Force Base he he's a medic

853
00:41:02,290 --> 00:40:58,970
there with a with a guy named Toby it's

854
00:41:05,380 --> 00:41:02,300
a african-american man and they become

855
00:41:08,170 --> 00:41:05,390
really great friends and one night in 75

856
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:08,180
it's January so it's really cold as hell

857
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:11,690
out there yet they get a call that they

858
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:14,690
need to go retrieve a guy who fell off

859
00:41:21,460 --> 00:41:19,850
of a silo and where they were is a it's

860
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:21,470
a missile silo

861
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:23,180
I believe they had nuclear ordnance

862
00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:27,920
there and yeah and they pull up and they

863
00:41:33,220 --> 00:41:31,700
see this these military checkpoints and

864
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:33,230
a bunch of people just standing around

865
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:36,110
which is really odd and Toby gets it out

866
00:41:40,090 --> 00:41:38,330
of the head of the vehicle and he goes

867
00:41:42,850 --> 00:41:40,100
up and he's like he comes back and says

868
00:41:47,830 --> 00:41:42,860
you got to come check this out and above

869
00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:47,840
this silo is this UFO it's just hanging

870
00:41:52,090 --> 00:41:50,150
out there and it's there for maybe like

871
00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:52,100
five more minutes before it shoots off

872
00:41:58,210 --> 00:41:54,230
and they retrieve the guy so there's

873
00:42:01,000 --> 00:41:58,220
another UFO sighting forum and then a

874
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:01,010
couple years later the they both have

875
00:42:07,930 --> 00:42:05,570
another UFO sighting and in like it's

876
00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:07,940
around the same time in January and a

877
00:42:12,130 --> 00:42:09,580
couple months later

878
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:12,140
Toby has this idea that they should go

879
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:14,690
camping now these are two city guys they

880
00:42:20,010 --> 00:42:16,730
know no jack about camping

881
00:42:22,810 --> 00:42:20,020
so it's just like one of those like

882
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:22,820
impulse things that happens and like

883
00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:25,610
it's something like a an 80s comedy

884
00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:28,670
movie with like what's-his-name the guy

885
00:42:39,490 --> 00:42:36,260
from home improvement or something like

886
00:42:45,070 --> 00:42:39,500
a buddy movie or something yeah I can I

887
00:42:46,990 --> 00:42:45,080
can see that but this quickly becomes

888
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:47,000
like a joke quickly moves from being a

889
00:42:51,820 --> 00:42:49,730
joke to this obsession yeah and they all

890
00:42:54,190 --> 00:42:51,830
basically and both of them basically

891
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:54,200
kind of like beg steal or borrow what

892
00:43:00,280 --> 00:42:57,250
they need to go on this camping trip

893
00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:00,290
Terry's gonna bring his camera he's

894
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:01,910
gonna take some nature shots and all

895
00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:04,610
that stuff and Toby's got his binoculars

896
00:43:09,550 --> 00:43:08,030
and you know they they got a tent from

897
00:43:12,070 --> 00:43:09,560
somebody else and they got a bunch of

898
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:12,080
hot dogs and stuff and they picked this

899
00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:14,450
place called The Devil's Den which is in

900
00:43:24,190 --> 00:43:20,320
Northwest Arkansas it's a state park and

901
00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:24,200
it's you know it's got a history there's

902
00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:26,900
some weird stuff gone on there people

903
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,300
have gone missing that's it's missing

904
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:31,040
four oh one one kind of territory stuff

905
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:35,210
and it isn't long before there

906
00:43:41,770 --> 00:43:38,720
amateurism comes out so they they pull

907
00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:41,780
in and they pick the spot where they're

908
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:43,550
technically not supposed to be that it's

909
00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:45,530
illegal to camp where they're camping

910
00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:48,430
but you know they didn't care yeah and

911
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:50,750
instead of setting up their camp they

912
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:56,450
just go for a hike okay yeah mistake one

913
00:44:03,790 --> 00:44:00,800
and they come back a little while later

914
00:44:05,410 --> 00:44:03,800
and yeah they'll set up the camp well

915
00:44:08,110 --> 00:44:05,420
they don't do that they just like you

916
00:44:11,410 --> 00:44:08,120
know zone out and and pass out mistake

917
00:44:13,450 --> 00:44:11,420
yeah for a few hours and they wake up in

918
00:44:19,060 --> 00:44:13,460
the in the middle of the night it's dark

919
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:19,070
out and yeah so they they quickly set up

920
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,850
camp there the car isn't very far away

921
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:25,280
and what they find is that most the

922
00:44:28,030 --> 00:44:26,720
provisions that they had they didn't

923
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:28,040
bring with them they forgot to bring

924
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:33,050
with them it's amateur hour here and but

925
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:35,810
they set up their tent they they set up

926
00:44:40,450 --> 00:44:38,810
they'd get a fire going and they've got

927
00:44:42,910 --> 00:44:40,460
they still got hot dogs and stuff that

928
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:42,920
you know make themselves an evening meal

929
00:44:48,970 --> 00:44:45,890
and they proclaim themselves like Kings

930
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:48,980
to the forest it's kind of funny city

931
00:44:56,650 --> 00:44:53,690
folk yeah and things start to get weird

932
00:45:00,730 --> 00:44:56,660
pretty quick after that Terry first

933
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:00,740
notices that the there's no wildlife

934
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,690
sounds coming from anywhere there's no

935
00:45:07,870 --> 00:45:04,640
crickets there's no nothing the forest

936
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:07,880
has gone completely silent and it's Toby

937
00:45:13,950 --> 00:45:10,640
that sees these three lights in the sky

938
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:13,960
off on the I believe the western horizon

939
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:16,880
kind of low definitely look a little too

940
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:20,240
low to be stars but they just stare at

941
00:45:23,590 --> 00:45:22,010
it and they kind of like you know pass

942
00:45:26,650 --> 00:45:23,600
it off that's nothing

943
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:26,660
and then these stars start to move up

944
00:45:32,260 --> 00:45:29,810
over the horizon then up and over and

945
00:45:36,970 --> 00:45:32,270
then they just come directly over their

946
00:45:38,620 --> 00:45:36,980
campsite now these guys should be like

947
00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:38,630
a brick but they're basically

948
00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:40,670
like looking up and they're amazed by it

949
00:45:47,770 --> 00:45:45,980
and they're at one point and and we know

950
00:45:48,910 --> 00:45:47,780
this is a mistake and I want to make

951
00:45:51,070 --> 00:45:48,920
this very clear

952
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:51,080
you do not signal flashlights their

953
00:45:55,570 --> 00:45:52,850
signal UFOs with a flashlight you just

954
00:45:57,370 --> 00:45:55,580
don't do it don't do it didn't hat

955
00:45:59,140 --> 00:45:57,380
didn't end well for the allagash guys

956
00:46:02,320 --> 00:45:59,150
didn't end well for these guys either

957
00:46:05,050 --> 00:46:02,330
yes don't take that from the playbook of

958
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:05,060
Steven Greer people Jesus Christ

959
00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:07,190
no no if you take anything away from

960
00:46:10,570 --> 00:46:09,230
Steven grids it's just that he's

961
00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:10,580
fraudulent just let it go

962
00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:16,700
but but this UFO after he flashes this

963
00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:19,220
flashlight three times it drops this

964
00:46:24,850 --> 00:46:22,070
white beam of light down that it's there

965
00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:24,860
for maybe like 30 seconds and disappears

966
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:28,070
and then boom there's a blue pencil thin

967
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,310
light that just darts around their camp

968
00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:33,200
now I'm like freaking out here

969
00:46:39,810 --> 00:46:35,420
but they weren't they were pretty calm

970
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:39,820
about it so that light disappears and

971
00:46:46,990 --> 00:46:44,450
then the UFO moves away that's pretty

972
00:46:48,490 --> 00:46:47,000
exciting yeah I don't think I'd be able

973
00:46:52,570 --> 00:46:48,500
to sleep that night but they go to sleep

974
00:46:55,810 --> 00:46:52,580
right after you know as as you know any

975
00:47:00,490 --> 00:46:55,820
rational person I wouldn't do but yeah

976
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:00,500
but it's Terry that wakes up what feels

977
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:04,130
like a couple hours later and he sees

978
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:05,810
this light that's flooding into their

979
00:47:13,630 --> 00:47:09,110
tent and he can see Toby he's kneeling

980
00:47:16,410 --> 00:47:13,640
by the the the flap to the tent and he's

981
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:16,420
like crying and he's looking out and

982
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:19,250
Terry's goes to grab the flashlight and

983
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:22,910
see what's going on out there and Toby

984
00:47:28,900 --> 00:47:25,490
just bats him away and says no they're

985
00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:28,910
out there and he can hear figures

986
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:32,180
walking around out there he can see this

987
00:47:37,110 --> 00:47:34,850
really bright light and eventually his

988
00:47:40,090 --> 00:47:37,120
curiosity gets the better of him and he

989
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:40,100
throws open the flap and what he sees is

990
00:47:46,450 --> 00:47:44,000
this UFO it's in this field not far from

991
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:46,460
their campsite taking up like the whole

992
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:50,090
field because it was that big and he can

993
00:47:56,380 --> 00:47:53,210
see 10 to 15 short figures that are

994
00:47:59,230 --> 00:47:56,390
walking towards it they're basically

995
00:48:01,000 --> 00:47:59,240
like the size of a child and they walk

996
00:48:02,650 --> 00:48:01,010
into this white beam of light that's

997
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,660
projecting down to it

998
00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:04,640
and the way that he describes it they

999
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,950
just dissolved so both the guys are kind

1000
00:48:14,890 --> 00:48:11,680
of in this intense pain

1001
00:48:18,330 --> 00:48:14,900
they're very thirsty they did bring

1002
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:18,340
water with them because you know we're

1003
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:23,530
amateurs and our still even fellows and

1004
00:48:27,250 --> 00:48:26,450
they make the decision very quickly to

1005
00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:27,260
get the hell out of there

1006
00:48:32,730 --> 00:48:30,550
so they drive the hours it's like is I

1007
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:32,740
believe it was like six hours away from

1008
00:48:39,340 --> 00:48:36,110
where they were living and everybody was

1009
00:48:42,820 --> 00:48:39,350
surprised to see them back Terry's wife

1010
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:42,830
Sheila pawned just seeing him took him

1011
00:48:48,010 --> 00:48:44,570
to the emergency room because he was in

1012
00:48:53,230 --> 00:48:48,020
that bad of shape as he was running a

1013
00:48:56,620 --> 00:48:53,240
fever of 104 he his face was very puffy

1014
00:48:59,410 --> 00:48:56,630
and his eyes were almost swollen shut

1015
00:49:01,780 --> 00:48:59,420
so yeah they ran him to the hospital he

1016
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:01,790
was in there for a few days while he was

1017
00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:04,730
in there he got a visit from a guy from

1018
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:06,470
the Air Force Office of Special

1019
00:49:12,370 --> 00:49:09,770
Investigations and we all know a foe see

1020
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:12,380
we know we know players from a foe see

1021
00:49:23,950 --> 00:49:21,050
we know who Rick Doty is you know you

1022
00:49:26,110 --> 00:49:23,960
can't not hear OSI and not think Rick

1023
00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:26,120
Doty right and the only reason I used

1024
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:29,260
the word is because of that name I

1025
00:49:34,750 --> 00:49:31,490
love him to death I know you might even

1026
00:49:36,820 --> 00:49:34,760
be listening to this but yeah not to

1027
00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:36,830
take away from this incident whatsoever

1028
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,590
by using the word I apology if I

1029
00:49:47,830 --> 00:49:45,200
get all fired up I think a lot of people

1030
00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:47,840
get fired up but you know that's that's

1031
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:48,830
to be expected

1032
00:49:59,590 --> 00:49:53,170
it it really is but they basically

1033
00:50:01,690 --> 00:49:59,600
interview him the guy the is agent

1034
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:01,700
Gregory you know because we're not used

1035
00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:05,930
in full names here field baby Nick oh

1036
00:50:14,530 --> 00:50:11,680
sets up a tape recorder starts

1037
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:14,540
interviewing and and basically ask you

1038
00:50:20,140 --> 00:50:16,310
know why did you come back

1039
00:50:22,330 --> 00:50:20,150
so quickly and you know the the basic

1040
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:22,340
standard stuff and they were really

1041
00:50:29,050 --> 00:50:25,130
harping on whether Terry had taken

1042
00:50:31,810 --> 00:50:29,060
photos of anything and Terry forgot his

1043
00:50:33,490 --> 00:50:31,820
camera cuz you know the only thing I

1044
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:33,500
think they remembered was the tent some

1045
00:50:40,570 --> 00:50:37,760
hotdogs and I believe Toby's binoculars

1046
00:50:44,350 --> 00:50:40,580
okay okay

1047
00:50:46,540 --> 00:50:44,360
yeah but Terry was he was an amateur

1048
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:46,550
photographer he had a studio in his

1049
00:50:52,770 --> 00:50:48,770
house but he didn't bring the camera

1050
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:52,780
with him and just kept pressing him but

1051
00:50:58,990 --> 00:50:55,520
he's in the hospital for about three or

1052
00:51:02,770 --> 00:50:59,000
four days and when he gets out he's

1053
00:51:07,420 --> 00:51:02,780
reassigned to another unit where all he

1054
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,430
does is paints pieces of plywood gee

1055
00:51:11,830 --> 00:51:09,440
okay Wow

1056
00:51:13,210 --> 00:51:11,840
he paints these sheets of plywood over

1057
00:51:15,460 --> 00:51:13,220
and over again they're basically just

1058
00:51:17,380 --> 00:51:15,470
giving him grunt work to keep them out

1059
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:17,390
of their hair and all that stuff this

1060
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:20,090
happens a lot man like well military

1061
00:51:24,190 --> 00:51:21,890
people have these encounters and your

1062
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:24,200
thoughts they send them different places

1063
00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:26,330
in the world and give him menial tasks

1064
00:51:30,460 --> 00:51:28,670
hoping they'll won't start talking about

1065
00:51:32,290 --> 00:51:30,470
it with other people like get him alone

1066
00:51:36,670 --> 00:51:32,300
that's what you don't do get him alone

1067
00:51:39,820 --> 00:51:36,680
yep and I think it was like a couple

1068
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:39,830
days before he was set to be reassigned

1069
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:43,450
again and agent Gregory comes back and

1070
00:51:52,450 --> 00:51:48,410
basically he forces Terry to consent to

1071
00:51:55,390 --> 00:51:52,460
hypnosis you know okay let's let's do

1072
00:51:58,110 --> 00:51:55,400
that so they explore the night and

1073
00:52:02,050 --> 00:51:58,120
Devil's Den and what happened and

1074
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:02,060
basically Terry recounts being taken

1075
00:52:07,090 --> 00:52:04,730
aboard this craft standing in a line

1076
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:07,100
full of people that are waiting to

1077
00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:11,170
undergo procedures and there's also this

1078
00:52:17,140 --> 00:52:14,150
short what he basically calls a hybrid

1079
00:52:20,170 --> 00:52:17,150
woman standing with him he recognizes

1080
00:52:21,970 --> 00:52:20,180
her as being someone who has been with

1081
00:52:24,490 --> 00:52:21,980
him his entire life with these

1082
00:52:29,770 --> 00:52:24,500
experiences and such like many abductees

1083
00:52:34,420 --> 00:52:29,780
report and he also reports walking by

1084
00:52:37,570 --> 00:52:34,430
a wall of like aquarium tanks that had

1085
00:52:40,930 --> 00:52:37,580
very strange reptilian looking beings in

1086
00:52:44,410 --> 00:52:40,940
them he talked about how there were

1087
00:52:46,180 --> 00:52:44,420
human crew on this ship that all were

1088
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:46,190
these like brown coveralls with an

1089
00:52:54,250 --> 00:52:49,730
orange insignia on them and they worked

1090
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:54,260
beside the short grey beings and he

1091
00:52:58,930 --> 00:52:57,050
eventually was brought to this one room

1092
00:53:03,970 --> 00:52:58,940
where they performed a procedure on him

1093
00:53:07,330 --> 00:53:03,980
and brought him back and that's really

1094
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:07,340
the only insight into like any of his

1095
00:53:15,550 --> 00:53:10,610
abduction experiences that he has he

1096
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:15,560
never talks about exploring these monkey

1097
00:53:21,070 --> 00:53:17,330
man encounters when he was a kid or

1098
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:21,080
anything like that and after that

1099
00:53:26,740 --> 00:53:24,710
he continues to have these lifelong

1100
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:26,750
experiences eventually he's reassigned

1101
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:30,710
to a unit where he's basically a medic

1102
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:33,890
again Toby he loses contact with him for

1103
00:53:39,610 --> 00:53:36,050
a while but he tells us in the book that

1104
00:53:46,170 --> 00:53:39,620
Toby died a homeless man in the 90s in

1105
00:53:49,780 --> 00:53:46,180
Michigan okay yeah but fast forward to

1106
00:53:52,180 --> 00:53:49,790
2017 and Terry starts talking about his

1107
00:53:55,390 --> 00:53:52,190
experiences he starts appearing in a

1108
00:53:58,300 --> 00:53:55,400
couple of cons and after he starts doing

1109
00:54:01,090 --> 00:53:58,310
that he experiences this dramatic weight

1110
00:54:04,930 --> 00:54:01,100
loss Terry used to be kind of a big guy

1111
00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:04,940
over 200 pounds and nowadays I think he

1112
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:06,230
weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of

1113
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:09,770
like 120 or something like that Wow yeah

1114
00:54:20,410 --> 00:54:17,570
and strewed yeah and one night not long

1115
00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:20,420
after he gave a presentation at a

1116
00:54:25,390 --> 00:54:23,870
conference and I believe Houston he woke

1117
00:54:28,750 --> 00:54:25,400
up in his living room

1118
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:28,760
across from sitting in his living room

1119
00:54:33,970 --> 00:54:32,330
he went to bed upstairs but yeah he woke

1120
00:54:36,250 --> 00:54:33,980
up sitting in the living room across

1121
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:36,260
from this woman that he's had these

1122
00:54:41,650 --> 00:54:38,570
lifelong experiences with and she's

1123
00:54:43,450 --> 00:54:41,660
wearing very human clothes along with a

1124
00:54:45,010 --> 00:54:43,460
wig and some sunglasses

1125
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:45,020
and he kind of makes fun of her for a

1126
00:54:50,410 --> 00:54:46,730
little bit for wearing the wig but you

1127
00:54:54,130 --> 00:54:50,420
know you'll have strong she's trying she

1128
00:54:56,349 --> 00:54:54,140
is trying but you know he basically asks

1129
00:55:00,339 --> 00:54:56,359
her questions about you know these

1130
00:55:04,510 --> 00:55:00,349
beings you know being in his life for as

1131
00:55:07,630 --> 00:55:04,520
long as they have and basically she says

1132
00:55:10,210 --> 00:55:07,640
that if he talks keeps to talking about

1133
00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:10,220
his experiences well they're gonna have

1134
00:55:13,930 --> 00:55:11,390
to take the implants that are in his

1135
00:55:16,750 --> 00:55:13,940
legs which she didn't know he had to he

1136
00:55:19,539 --> 00:55:16,760
thought he only had one but turns out he

1137
00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:19,549
had two for one deal yeah it's a

1138
00:55:25,630 --> 00:55:21,980
two-for-one deal you know written on

1139
00:55:28,569 --> 00:55:25,640
sale that week but they also said that

1140
00:55:32,819 --> 00:55:28,579
the military would kill him which hasn't

1141
00:55:35,529 --> 00:55:32,829
happened because he's still alive but

1142
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:35,539
and they also basically said that they'd

1143
00:55:40,029 --> 00:55:37,490
never see him again

1144
00:55:42,579 --> 00:55:40,039
so Terry made the decision then to keep

1145
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:42,589
talking about it and about a week later

1146
00:55:50,740 --> 00:55:46,400
he woke up to incredible pain in his

1147
00:55:53,859 --> 00:55:50,750
legs again he he had these like red kind

1148
00:55:58,059 --> 00:55:53,869
of puncture marks on both of his legs

1149
00:56:00,640 --> 00:55:58,069
and about a day later there was a bruise

1150
00:56:02,380 --> 00:56:00,650
that appeared on both legs that looked

1151
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:02,390
like that flower pattern that was seen

1152
00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:06,799
on the x-ray in 2012 and that's that's

1153
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:09,230
pretty much where Terry's story lee gia

1154
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:12,559
it's interesting it's kind of devoid of

1155
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:14,809
details at some times but it's really

1156
00:56:22,029 --> 00:56:19,119
intriguing and it gives a lot of the the

1157
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:22,039
conspiratorial minded people something

1158
00:56:27,579 --> 00:56:23,839
to bite on especially when he talks

1159
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:27,589
about being on the ship in 1977 right

1160
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:28,490
Wow

1161
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:31,609
yes well you know what I have I was

1162
00:56:37,539 --> 00:56:34,970
given the book by the publisher that was

1163
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:37,549
working with him on on getting this out

1164
00:56:43,390 --> 00:56:41,089
to the public and I've spoken to Terry I

1165
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:43,400
think once through email he is an

1166
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:47,089
extremely nice guy very smart very

1167
00:56:53,049 --> 00:56:49,970
insightful but this this case is just

1168
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:53,059
it's there's so many gaps where

1169
00:56:57,839 --> 00:56:55,690
conspiracy people can fill those in

1170
00:56:59,549 --> 00:56:57,849
so I don't know man I don't know I

1171
00:57:03,630 --> 00:56:59,559
struggle with this one I'm gonna be

1172
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:03,640
honest if there's a lot going on but

1173
00:57:09,029 --> 00:57:06,130
hopefully I can get them on to get some

1174
00:57:11,460 --> 00:57:09,039
more detail but Wow yeah you did a good

1175
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:11,470
job with that one I appreciate it man

1176
00:57:15,930 --> 00:57:14,079
and I guess he's working on a second

1177
00:57:18,210 --> 00:57:15,940
book so maybe we'll get some more

1178
00:57:22,529 --> 00:57:18,220
insight on those kind of details I don't

1179
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:22,539
know but but yeah there's definitely we

1180
00:57:26,730 --> 00:57:25,210
we need a little more we need some more

1181
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:26,740
for me Terry if you're listening please

1182
00:57:30,539 --> 00:57:29,770
give us some more to work with here yeah

1183
00:57:36,289 --> 00:57:30,549
awesome

1184
00:57:38,910 --> 00:57:36,299
well Rob coming to today we have these

1185
00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:38,920
videos that came out one of which is

1186
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:42,220
known as the gimbal video and a lot of

1187
00:57:47,370 --> 00:57:44,710
researchers have been working on this

1188
00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:47,380
lately trying to figure out when and

1189
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:50,020
where this happened and they're pretty

1190
00:57:54,299 --> 00:57:52,030
much landing on the East Coast this

1191
00:57:57,150 --> 00:57:54,309
gimbal video if anyone's seen it it's

1192
00:57:59,520 --> 00:57:57,160
the one where the gun camera footage

1193
00:58:01,920 --> 00:57:59,530
where the craft seems to be rotating in

1194
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:01,930
midair it's the one that I know

1195
00:58:07,650 --> 00:58:04,510
unidentified the TV show uses as their

1196
00:58:09,779 --> 00:58:07,660
their main what would you call it like

1197
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:09,789
featured image even though they doctored

1198
00:58:14,609 --> 00:58:11,700
it a little made it more saucer-shaped

1199
00:58:16,940 --> 00:58:14,619
yep anyways I'm getting I'm getting too

1200
00:58:19,769 --> 00:58:16,950
detailed into the craft the gimbal video

1201
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:19,779
we think that this happened off of the

1202
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:24,880
USS Roosevelt in the early to mid-2000s

1203
00:58:30,660 --> 00:58:28,000
and even in the Middle East this thing

1204
00:58:33,180 --> 00:58:30,670
possibly may have been seen but you

1205
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:33,190
found something that happened in the USS

1206
00:58:39,660 --> 00:58:36,880
Roosevelt that was that happened a while

1207
00:58:42,269 --> 00:58:39,670
ago so what is up with the USS Roosevelt

1208
00:58:44,190 --> 00:58:42,279
why are they the ones to track all these

1209
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:44,200
UFOs and what is this case he came

1210
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:46,930
across right so the interesting thing

1211
00:58:53,279 --> 00:58:50,710
about this USS Roosevelt it's not the

1212
00:58:56,819 --> 00:58:53,289
first USS Roosevelt this is actually the

1213
00:59:00,750 --> 00:58:56,829
second it's a Nimitz class carrier which

1214
00:59:03,859 --> 00:59:00,760
is a more advanced carrier but before

1215
00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:03,869
that there is the Essex class carrier

1216
00:59:13,860 --> 00:59:09,990
USS franklin d roosevelt and basically

1217
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:13,870
it has a history of UFO sightings going

1218
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:17,530
back to the early 50s and it starts in

1219
00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:22,090
September of 1952 with Operation

1220
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:23,140
Mainbrace

1221
00:59:30,750 --> 00:59:28,330
which was a NATO exercise that a lot of

1222
00:59:33,150 --> 00:59:30,760
there was like I forget how many nations

1223
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:33,160
took part in it is probably about 10 or

1224
00:59:41,460 --> 00:59:38,410
12 but supposedly 85,000 like servicemen

1225
00:59:43,170 --> 00:59:41,470
were a part of this exercise and like

1226
00:59:46,530 --> 00:59:43,180
from the start they started to

1227
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:46,540
experience UFO activity there were some

1228
00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:48,730
that reported UFOs coming out of the

1229
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:51,670
water and flying over their heads some

1230
00:59:59,340 --> 00:59:56,410
of them just basic flybys of UFOs but

1231
01:00:03,150 --> 00:59:59,350
one of them was the USS Franklin D

1232
01:00:07,410 --> 01:00:03,160
Roosevelt and basically on September

1233
01:00:11,220 --> 01:00:07,420
20th 1952 they were taking pictures of

1234
01:00:13,590 --> 01:00:11,230
the area and they see this object in the

1235
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:13,600
sky it's in broad daylight and it just

1236
01:00:18,930 --> 01:00:16,960
flies over their ship and they take

1237
01:00:21,150 --> 01:00:18,940
pictures of it they heard they were

1238
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:21,160
supposedly took three pictures of the

1239
01:00:27,870 --> 01:00:26,170
thing and it was just kind of you know

1240
01:00:29,340 --> 01:00:27,880
that's what it was it's three pictures

1241
01:00:31,620 --> 01:00:29,350
it was interesting though really

1242
01:00:34,110 --> 01:00:31,630
interesting pictures you can google them

1243
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:34,120
they're out there I'd also like to note

1244
01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:37,090
that the crewmen of this ship called

1245
01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:40,870
this the USS Franklin D Roosevelt swanky

1246
01:00:53,310 --> 01:00:47,790
Frankie but the most dramatic report of

1247
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:53,320
UFOs comes from 1958 the Franklin

1248
01:01:01,820 --> 01:00:56,650
Roosevelt was down in the Caribbean it

1249
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:01,830
wasn't far from Cuba and they saw this

1250
01:01:08,790 --> 01:01:04,330
light that was basically tailing their

1251
01:01:11,940 --> 01:01:08,800
boat and eventually it came speeding by

1252
01:01:16,350 --> 01:01:11,950
and it got so close to the boat that you

1253
01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:16,360
could actually see the object you could

1254
01:01:21,150 --> 01:01:18,190
see windows on the thing and you could

1255
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:21,160
see figures in the windows looking out

1256
01:01:28,349 --> 01:01:24,400
okay and the object just hovered right

1257
01:01:31,410 --> 01:01:28,359
there above the ship for maybe a minute

1258
01:01:34,770 --> 01:01:31,420
or two before it just disappeared and

1259
01:01:38,339 --> 01:01:34,780
this report comes from a guy named

1260
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:38,349
Chester grazinsky he was 18 years old at

1261
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:41,530
the time but he kind of just basically

1262
01:01:46,020 --> 01:01:44,559
tried to find anybody else that had you

1263
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,030
know seen this after it had gone down

1264
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:49,119
because there was a cover-up the CIA

1265
01:01:58,109 --> 01:01:52,569
came on board the ship investigating

1266
01:01:59,940 --> 01:01:58,119
gambling things okay yeah and you know

1267
01:02:02,400 --> 01:01:59,950
they basically just told everybody to

1268
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:02,410
shut up about this and you know it

1269
01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:05,369
became this huge giant cover-up and

1270
01:02:12,089 --> 01:02:09,430
Chester he basically he tried to track

1271
01:02:14,940 --> 01:02:12,099
down anybody he that he could that

1272
01:02:21,089 --> 01:02:14,950
remembered seeing this thing now if you

1273
01:02:27,630 --> 01:02:21,099
google it's I just googled operation

1274
01:02:30,359 --> 01:02:27,640
main Mainbrace UFO and you'd cert and

1275
01:02:33,210 --> 01:02:30,369
you go through the the image search

1276
01:02:37,549 --> 01:02:33,220
results you what you'll see is this it's

1277
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:37,559
a sketch that somebody drew of it's

1278
01:02:43,529 --> 01:02:40,569
right to Charles they're Chester

1279
01:02:47,250 --> 01:02:43,539
Krasinski's back and above him you could

1280
01:02:49,019 --> 01:02:47,260
see like the tower of the carrier and

1281
01:02:51,930 --> 01:02:49,029
right next to the tower and slightly

1282
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:51,940
above it is this object and so they drew

1283
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:53,680
it to scale and everything and it's a

1284
01:03:00,900 --> 01:02:56,079
it's a pretty great image mm-hmm I love

1285
01:03:04,529 --> 01:03:00,910
it but yeah I I don't know I apparently

1286
01:03:07,289 --> 01:03:04,539
according to Rosinski there were like

1287
01:03:10,980 --> 01:03:07,299
eight separate UFO incidents that the

1288
01:03:14,220 --> 01:03:10,990
u.s. all throughout the 50s and 60s and

1289
01:03:16,620 --> 01:03:14,230
it was decommissioned in 1977 that was

1290
01:03:20,940 --> 01:03:16,630
when the nimitz-class franklin roosevelt

1291
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:20,950
was set sail so apparently something

1292
01:03:31,579 --> 01:03:25,170
about Franklin D Roosevelt screams UFOs

1293
01:03:34,289 --> 01:03:31,589
I mean he was cool and all but come on

1294
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,299
well I found that really fascinating

1295
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:36,640
because again the Roosevelt is um it's

1296
01:03:39,870 --> 01:03:38,410
becoming a buzzword now in the UFO

1297
01:03:42,989 --> 01:03:39,880
community because of all the activity

1298
01:03:44,429 --> 01:03:42,999
with UFOs involved with it so I was so

1299
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:44,439
happy to hear that you found that and

1300
01:03:49,499 --> 01:03:45,910
I'm also happy to know it wasn't the

1301
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:49,509
same ship because my god if there's ever

1302
01:03:54,029 --> 01:03:52,089
been like UFO bait now we know it's the

1303
01:03:55,319 --> 01:03:54,039
USS Roosevelt just throw that thing out

1304
01:03:57,929 --> 01:03:55,329
in the water and you're gonna get some

1305
01:04:01,140 --> 01:03:57,939
UFOs yeah pretty much you know it's it's

1306
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:01,150
the bait that every ufologist needs and

1307
01:04:06,259 --> 01:04:03,130
it's kind of funny because when you read

1308
01:04:10,469 --> 01:04:06,269
about the history of the first ship in

1309
01:04:11,789 --> 01:04:10,479
77 they were in talks to actually keep

1310
01:04:15,779 --> 01:04:11,799
it going mm-hmm

1311
01:04:18,209 --> 01:04:15,789
they people were afraid that Jimmy

1312
01:04:19,949 --> 01:04:18,219
Carter was just going to you know keep

1313
01:04:21,929 --> 01:04:19,959
this thing going forever so they

1314
01:04:23,429 --> 01:04:21,939
basically said no we're taking it out of

1315
01:04:28,429 --> 01:04:23,439
commission they sold it to somebody for

1316
01:04:37,140 --> 01:04:33,599
damn Jimmy Carter and all right well

1317
01:04:40,019 --> 01:04:37,150
wrapping things up here Rob take a good

1318
01:04:42,299 --> 01:04:40,029
sip man because of your drink there cuz

1319
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:42,309
this is what we're gonna end with here

1320
01:04:47,219 --> 01:04:44,410
you were recently on the mad scientist

1321
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:47,229
podcast with Chris Cogswell a very good

1322
01:04:54,329 --> 01:04:51,119
friend of both of ours and this was a

1323
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:54,339
brutally honest conversation man about

1324
01:05:00,359 --> 01:04:57,609
the UFO news coming out lately so my big

1325
01:05:02,729 --> 01:05:00,369
question to you is where do you stand

1326
01:05:05,099 --> 01:05:02,739
today on this mainstream coverage of

1327
01:05:08,969 --> 01:05:05,109
UFOs and what do you think is going on

1328
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:08,979
with to the stars their new show give me

1329
01:05:15,089 --> 01:05:12,160
what you got man because people are very

1330
01:05:17,069 --> 01:05:15,099
divided and this is this has really put

1331
01:05:19,859 --> 01:05:17,079
a dent in the UFO community both good

1332
01:05:23,759 --> 01:05:19,869
and bad so what do you got man be honest

1333
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:23,769
with us here so I'm very skeptical these

1334
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:27,369
days now I've got kind of been a little

1335
01:05:33,479 --> 01:05:28,809
more I've gotten a little more skeptical

1336
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:33,489
as time has gone on and for me there are

1337
01:05:40,949 --> 01:05:35,920
things that to the Stars Academy does or

1338
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:40,959
doesn't do that kind of goes against it

1339
01:05:47,759 --> 01:05:44,799
the being legitimate operation not to

1340
01:05:48,490 --> 01:05:47,769
say that there aren't trying or stuff

1341
01:05:51,130 --> 01:05:48,500
like that but

1342
01:05:53,530 --> 01:05:51,140
like there's if you're talking about

1343
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:53,540
science and UFOs there are ways to do

1344
01:06:01,060 --> 01:05:57,920
this when you go on to the the to the

1345
01:06:03,490 --> 01:06:01,070
Stars Academy website and you look at

1346
01:06:05,980 --> 01:06:03,500
the videos you look at the gimbal video

1347
01:06:09,940 --> 01:06:05,990
the nimitz video the go-fast video what

1348
01:06:11,890 --> 01:06:09,950
you find on there is not an explanation

1349
01:06:14,140 --> 01:06:11,900
of how they came to their conclusions

1350
01:06:17,050 --> 01:06:14,150
what they tell you is this is what this

1351
01:06:19,630 --> 01:06:17,060
is and this is what our conclusions are

1352
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:19,640
well how did you arrive at that and to

1353
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:22,130
give you a kind of an analogy if you're

1354
01:06:27,010 --> 01:06:24,170
in math class in high school and your

1355
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:27,020
basic this is basically to the Stars

1356
01:06:31,630 --> 01:06:29,930
Academy writing down the answers without

1357
01:06:34,180 --> 01:06:31,640
telling you how they got there and

1358
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:34,190
that's a big problem for me because if

1359
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:36,710
if the teacher hands that paper back

1360
01:06:42,070 --> 01:06:38,330
what's it gonna say what's it gonna say

1361
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:42,080
work ya 65 show your work and I don't

1362
01:06:48,250 --> 01:06:44,570
think to the Stars Academy is doing the

1363
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:48,260
best job of showing their work very well

1364
01:06:55,810 --> 01:06:53,359
I'm skeptical oh man how do i how do i

1365
01:07:01,420 --> 01:06:55,820
lay this out you know in a concise way I

1366
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:01,430
think it's hard it is hard but I I just

1367
01:07:04,510 --> 01:07:02,930
don't know what the hell they're doing I

1368
01:07:08,050 --> 01:07:04,520
really don't know what the hell they're

1369
01:07:11,530 --> 01:07:08,060
doing and like they're giving you

1370
01:07:13,300 --> 01:07:11,540
nuggets of information that they're

1371
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:13,310
tantalizing but they ultimately don't

1372
01:07:17,740 --> 01:07:15,770
lead to anything like they'd announce

1373
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:17,750
the atom project last year what what has

1374
01:07:21,730 --> 01:07:20,450
come of that right nothing well here's

1375
01:07:23,950 --> 01:07:21,740
the other thing you bring up a good

1376
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:23,960
point we know for a fact that Lou

1377
01:07:29,620 --> 01:07:26,240
Elizondo he's even stated this in the TV

1378
01:07:32,260 --> 01:07:29,630
show unidentified that he knows more

1379
01:07:35,650 --> 01:07:32,270
than what he can say on the show and

1380
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:35,660
what he can tell civilians so you have

1381
01:07:44,109 --> 01:07:40,690
this weird like purgatory where the

1382
01:07:46,329 --> 01:07:44,119
investigator in charge of all this knows

1383
01:07:48,849 --> 01:07:46,339
more than he's telling the public so

1384
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:48,859
that's a problem like what why why

1385
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:50,930
should we listen or trust you when you

1386
01:07:57,220 --> 01:07:54,050
know more than you're telling us it's

1387
01:07:57,940 --> 01:07:57,230
hard because I honestly think like he's

1388
01:08:00,790 --> 01:07:57,950
a cool guy

1389
01:08:03,460 --> 01:08:00,800
I think he's doing some good work

1390
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:03,470
and I I do believe that he wants answers

1391
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:06,290
but he's got answers and he can't tell

1392
01:08:14,890 --> 01:08:09,520
us that's a problem and not only that

1393
01:08:16,539 --> 01:08:14,900
how many to the stars members are former

1394
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:16,549
government officials that can't say

1395
01:08:21,130 --> 01:08:17,120
anything

1396
01:08:24,010 --> 01:08:21,140
Chris Mellon Steve justice helped put

1397
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:24,020
off you can't say crap about a lot of

1398
01:08:28,450 --> 01:08:26,089
things I mean a lot of a lot of them

1399
01:08:31,180 --> 01:08:28,460
can't and especially if a lot of these

1400
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:31,190
people are former bass employees or are

1401
01:08:35,740 --> 01:08:33,170
still bass employees they're not gonna

1402
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:35,750
say anything yeah I kind of had high

1403
01:08:39,789 --> 01:08:37,730
hopes but it's just like you're

1404
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:39,799
tempering this with non-disclosure

1405
01:08:44,410 --> 01:08:42,049
agreements that you can't give anything

1406
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:44,420
up yeah and now you've got people like

1407
01:08:49,870 --> 01:08:47,930
Mick West on doing you know I think he's

1408
01:08:52,539 --> 01:08:49,880
doing pretty good work I can honestly

1409
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:52,549
say I wasn't convinced by the go-fast

1410
01:08:57,670 --> 01:08:55,040
video to begin with and now I really

1411
01:09:00,430 --> 01:08:57,680
don't think it isn't UFO I think it

1412
01:09:02,260 --> 01:09:00,440
really is a balloon interesting yeah I

1413
01:09:02,740 --> 01:09:02,270
mean I've thought that for a while now

1414
01:09:05,410 --> 01:09:02,750
too

1415
01:09:07,930 --> 01:09:05,420
um but you're right you know we get

1416
01:09:10,210 --> 01:09:07,940
blinded by the excitement that comes

1417
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:10,220
when this topic it's mainstream coverage

1418
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:12,770
and when we have people like Tom DeLonge

1419
01:09:17,170 --> 01:09:15,410
like really I I respect the hell out of

1420
01:09:19,900 --> 01:09:17,180
the guy for what he's doing I honestly

1421
01:09:22,269 --> 01:09:19,910
do and I think like he's done some great

1422
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:22,279
work and he's assembled an amazing team

1423
01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:24,650
but you always come back to this fact

1424
01:09:28,660 --> 01:09:26,510
that all those people involved it to the

1425
01:09:31,930 --> 01:09:28,670
stars no more than what they're letting

1426
01:09:34,450 --> 01:09:31,940
on and that is a problem and as we're

1427
01:09:37,090 --> 01:09:34,460
getting this narrative from to the stars

1428
01:09:39,099 --> 01:09:37,100
now here's my thing too and our good

1429
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:39,109
friend Jason McClellan always says you

1430
01:09:43,809 --> 01:09:40,730
don't have to listen to to the stars

1431
01:09:46,180 --> 01:09:43,819
like they they're one cog in this huge

1432
01:09:48,940 --> 01:09:46,190
machine of this phenomenon they clearly

1433
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:48,950
have an angle and that's military and

1434
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,310
that this is a threat and we need to be

1435
01:09:56,620 --> 01:09:54,560
ready for it so there you go right there

1436
01:09:58,810 --> 01:09:56,630
like to the stars has been pretty

1437
01:09:59,950 --> 01:09:58,820
upfront even Tom DeLonge saying I want

1438
01:10:03,640 --> 01:09:59,960
to paint a good picture of the

1439
01:10:05,410 --> 01:10:03,650
military-industrial complex and he said

1440
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:05,420
that from the very start so anyone who

1441
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:07,370
argues that he said that from the start

1442
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:10,400
so there's that right there but like we

1443
01:10:13,979 --> 01:10:11,290
said

1444
01:10:17,070 --> 01:10:13,989
this stuff is only military and that's

1445
01:10:19,710 --> 01:10:17,080
only a small fraction of what's going on

1446
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:19,720
with these phenomena yeah exactly it

1447
01:10:28,350 --> 01:10:25,690
cuts out like I would say 85 to 90

1448
01:10:33,630 --> 01:10:28,360
percent of the rest of this phenomenon

1449
01:10:36,570 --> 01:10:33,640
like it cuts out a lot and I feel and

1450
01:10:39,180 --> 01:10:36,580
I've always felt that when somebody

1451
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:39,190
controls the field of perception here

1452
01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:41,440
because it always comes down to that you

1453
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:43,300
need to start looking other places not

1454
01:10:50,190 --> 01:10:47,290
just at this one main body and they're

1455
01:10:52,860 --> 01:10:50,200
noble intentions you'd start to look at

1456
01:10:55,140 --> 01:10:52,870
other places which is why I will spend

1457
01:10:59,130 --> 01:10:55,150
hours digging through old issues of

1458
01:11:04,380 --> 01:10:59,140
flying saucer review I those still have

1459
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:04,390
value there'd still valuable to us too

1460
01:11:10,890 --> 01:11:08,080
in what they tell us about UFOs like

1461
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:10,900
when Lou Elizondo is saying well there's

1462
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:13,120
a clear pattern of UFOs and military

1463
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:15,520
installations and nuclear installations

1464
01:11:20,850 --> 01:11:17,410
like we've known that for decades but

1465
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:20,860
dude okay I'm gonna all right I got a

1466
01:11:26,940 --> 01:11:24,880
vent here man that last episode first of

1467
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:26,950
all I love seeing some of the witness

1468
01:11:32,220 --> 01:11:29,440
they interviewed Larry Gesner first came

1469
01:11:35,610 --> 01:11:32,230
forward in my book I must say that I

1470
01:11:37,890 --> 01:11:35,620
have to defend this in my book silver in

1471
01:11:39,540 --> 01:11:37,900
the skies with his UFO encounter to the

1472
01:11:42,540 --> 01:11:39,550
stars claims this is the first time he's

1473
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:42,550
ever come forward it's a TV I get it I

1474
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:43,600
get it

1475
01:11:46,740 --> 01:11:44,800
but they went through the whole Rick

1476
01:11:50,130 --> 01:11:46,750
Doty and bennewitz thing which was

1477
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:50,140
interesting and then okay who is this

1478
01:11:56,430 --> 01:11:53,890
mysterious general halt or what was a

1479
01:11:59,100 --> 01:11:56,440
base commander halt with in Rendlesham

1480
01:12:02,190 --> 01:11:59,110
case we'd never heard of him before yeah

1481
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:02,200
I think it's a little offensive that

1482
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:05,290
they're covering the nuclear angle to

1483
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:07,210
all this when we've known this for so

1484
01:12:12,450 --> 01:12:09,760
long look at faded Giants look at all

1485
01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:12,460
the work by Hastings and all these guys

1486
01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:15,310
out there and it's almost like as a slap

1487
01:12:20,910 --> 01:12:18,070
in the face that Oulu Elizondo suddenly

1488
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:20,920
made this connection come on dude it

1489
01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:24,489
bothers me and like what you find in

1490
01:12:26,540 --> 01:12:25,030
this field

1491
01:12:29,370 --> 01:12:26,550
right now is a lot of people trying to

1492
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,380
like and I'm not like discounting you

1493
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:31,600
because you definitely did very first

1494
01:12:38,370 --> 01:12:35,290
but like you're finding a lot of that

1495
01:12:40,980 --> 01:12:38,380
like people's you know saying that we

1496
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:40,990
had these people along before you did it

1497
01:12:45,930 --> 01:12:43,030
it's it's absolutely ridiculous like

1498
01:12:47,850 --> 01:12:45,940
what I want to know is why is nobody in

1499
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:47,860
in terms of the david flavor sighting

1500
01:12:51,630 --> 01:12:49,450
why is nobody talking to a Paco cheer

1501
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:51,640
Ichi and I'm here to you most people

1502
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:53,950
probably don't know who Paco teg is or

1503
01:12:58,680 --> 01:12:55,690
even know what I'm talking about and

1504
01:13:01,260 --> 01:12:58,690
like I know that Jeremy Korbel god

1505
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:01,270
respect him thinks that he was breaking

1506
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:04,330
that fray verse story to begin with Paco

1507
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:06,130
Chi reach he broke that two years before

1508
01:13:11,850 --> 01:13:09,370
he did so why is nobody talking to him

1509
01:13:14,730 --> 01:13:11,860
yeah again it's all about perception and

1510
01:13:17,220 --> 01:13:14,740
narrative and you know I think you make

1511
01:13:19,050 --> 01:13:17,230
a good point though like the ego got the

1512
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:19,060
best of me when I saw the Larry Gessner

1513
01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:21,610
case involved to this i'ma go I was the

1514
01:13:25,050 --> 01:13:23,260
first to break that but I don't know

1515
01:13:26,910 --> 01:13:25,060
that someone else may have interviewed

1516
01:13:30,330 --> 01:13:26,920
Larry long before that but that's not

1517
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:30,340
what it's about I think you're right we

1518
01:13:33,900 --> 01:13:32,560
need to like keep digging finding all

1519
01:13:35,610 --> 01:13:33,910
these people look at like Dave Beattie

1520
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:35,620
and all these people he's working with

1521
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:38,530
try to find all these people that were

1522
01:13:43,170 --> 01:13:41,110
on the Roosevelt it's amazing

1523
01:13:45,330 --> 01:13:43,180
the work that the UFO field is doing

1524
01:13:47,490 --> 01:13:45,340
Keith pastor field I mean the the list

1525
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:47,500
is endless of the people who are doing

1526
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:50,800
way way more work than to the Stars

1527
01:13:57,930 --> 01:13:54,250
Academy right and and my big problem

1528
01:14:02,070 --> 01:13:57,940
with them is that they're cutting the

1529
01:14:03,900 --> 01:14:02,080
rest of us out they're cutting us the

1530
01:14:06,270 --> 01:14:03,910
people that have done this research so

1531
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:06,280
it's like to the Stars Academy is like

1532
01:14:10,170 --> 01:14:08,290
hitting the reset button why do we need

1533
01:14:13,950 --> 01:14:10,180
to hit the reset button when we have

1534
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:13,960
literature from decades and decades that

1535
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:15,760
are saying the same things that you

1536
01:14:21,390 --> 01:14:19,810
think are revelations now yeah it sucks

1537
01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:21,400
man and at the same time like I

1538
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:23,350
understand you're bringing presenting

1539
01:14:28,590 --> 01:14:25,810
this to the mainstream who haven't been

1540
01:14:31,260 --> 01:14:28,600
into all this like we have but like you

1541
01:14:33,420 --> 01:14:31,270
like use us ask us for help like

1542
01:14:35,670 --> 01:14:33,430
creaking hey we're we're all for you I

1543
01:14:37,860 --> 01:14:35,680
still am a big fan of what they're doing

1544
01:14:38,670 --> 01:14:37,870
bringing this to the mainstream trying

1545
01:14:41,190 --> 01:14:38,680
to D state

1546
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:41,200
mattias the phenomena and the topic but

1547
01:14:45,330 --> 01:14:44,050
at the same time like Tom DeLonge from

1548
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:45,340
the beginning told the UFO community

1549
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:47,650
read between the lines guys like you

1550
01:14:51,660 --> 01:14:49,930
know what I'm really trying to get here

1551
01:14:53,490 --> 01:14:51,670
well you're not showing that man cuz you

1552
01:14:55,380 --> 01:14:53,500
completely cut out the entire UFO

1553
01:14:57,930 --> 01:14:55,390
community hey and we were the most

1554
01:15:00,540 --> 01:14:57,940
offending you from the start right and

1555
01:15:02,670 --> 01:15:00,550
like look at look at the UFO community

1556
01:15:05,550 --> 01:15:02,680
now and and how things are coming back

1557
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:05,560
yeah things are cyclical again why are

1558
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:07,210
we talking about some goddamn alien

1559
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:09,040
autopsy video again that we know is not

1560
01:15:16,740 --> 01:15:13,600
real don't get me started like why are

1561
01:15:18,780 --> 01:15:16,750
we and and some topics are worth

1562
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:18,790
revisiting but there are topics that

1563
01:15:24,930 --> 01:15:21,040
nobody has even bothered to cover which

1564
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:24,940
is what I love to do when I first like

1565
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:26,530
the first appearance I ever made on this

1566
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:28,810
podcast we talked about the men in black

1567
01:15:36,450 --> 01:15:31,210
I was like I really want to dig into

1568
01:15:38,700 --> 01:15:36,460
this stuff and I looked at the Herbert

1569
01:15:40,350 --> 01:15:38,710
Hopkins encounter and I'm like this is

1570
01:15:41,940 --> 01:15:40,360
really strange what the hell was he

1571
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:41,950
looking into because it's it felt like

1572
01:15:47,190 --> 01:15:44,050
it was a question nobody had asked yeah

1573
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:47,200
so I find it in this book and I'm like

1574
01:15:51,450 --> 01:15:49,810
why is nobody talking about this case it

1575
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:51,460
literally happened like two weeks before

1576
01:15:57,180 --> 01:15:55,210
Travis Walton was abducted and it's far

1577
01:15:59,280 --> 01:15:57,190
more insane than Travis Walt in the

1578
01:16:04,020 --> 01:15:59,290
story why is nobody talking about this

1579
01:16:06,420 --> 01:16:04,030
and it's those stories that really they

1580
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:06,430
need to be told because they've never

1581
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:08,650
really been told before they've they've

1582
01:16:13,950 --> 01:16:10,690
existed in the annals of these UFO

1583
01:16:17,460 --> 01:16:13,960
journals that sometimes people pick up

1584
01:16:20,430 --> 01:16:17,470
and read through and you know if you got

1585
01:16:24,660 --> 01:16:20,440
AB lying around there's a the whole like

1586
01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:24,670
Internet Archive like if you go to it's

1587
01:16:29,130 --> 01:16:27,430
either new fork or new force had that

1588
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:29,140
it's really confusing at a certain time

1589
01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:32,010
new forest is in Canada I believe yeah

1590
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:35,500
there is a database of issues a flying

1591
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:37,840
saucer review from the time it started

1592
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:40,330
in the 50s up until it folded in the

1593
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:43,090
early 2000s they're all on there go read

1594
01:16:50,730 --> 01:16:44,800
through them there's some crazy cases in

1595
01:16:52,599 --> 01:16:50,740
there they're the the some of the bonus

1596
01:16:54,729 --> 01:16:52,609
Kait bonus episodes that I've done

1597
01:16:56,500 --> 01:16:54,739
have come from these cases there's

1598
01:16:58,329 --> 01:16:56,510
everybody talks about the Mothman

1599
01:17:02,500 --> 01:16:58,339
sightings and they don't talk about this

1600
01:17:06,879 --> 01:17:02,510
one case from as I believed South

1601
01:17:08,949 --> 01:17:06,889
Carolina Gaffney of these two cops they

1602
01:17:14,339 --> 01:17:08,959
were out one night during this meteor

1603
01:17:16,839 --> 01:17:14,349
shower and they were patrolling an area

1604
01:17:18,399 --> 01:17:16,849
they it was an abandoned area and they

1605
01:17:19,899 --> 01:17:18,409
see this UFO and it just comes straight

1606
01:17:21,790 --> 01:17:19,909
down in front of their car and this

1607
01:17:24,429 --> 01:17:21,800
really short being gets out and it

1608
01:17:26,169 --> 01:17:24,439
starts asking them questions he talks

1609
01:17:28,509 --> 01:17:26,179
about that case is a case that John keel

1610
01:17:29,770 --> 01:17:28,519
reported and it's like why is that not

1611
01:17:34,629 --> 01:17:29,780
talked about when people talk about the

1612
01:17:37,899 --> 01:17:34,639
Mafia yeah and it's it's those yeah it's

1613
01:17:40,959 --> 01:17:37,909
those cases that like God I find more

1614
01:17:42,849 --> 01:17:40,969
value in them than I do in a lot of what

1615
01:17:44,679 --> 01:17:42,859
to the Stars Academy is doing and I know

1616
01:17:46,119 --> 01:17:44,689
that's gonna upset a lot of people I

1617
01:17:47,979 --> 01:17:46,129
just don't care anymore

1618
01:17:51,489 --> 01:17:47,989
you know I don't need a man there's no

1619
01:17:53,709 --> 01:17:51,499
time for it and I've been sort of taken

1620
01:17:55,929 --> 01:17:53,719
to task with Ryan like make a decision

1621
01:17:57,489 --> 01:17:55,939
are you for it are you against it look I

1622
01:17:59,739 --> 01:17:57,499
wrote a shining review of the first

1623
01:18:01,589 --> 01:17:59,749
episode of unidentified because I

1624
01:18:04,810 --> 01:18:01,599
thought it was slick and

1625
01:18:08,049 --> 01:18:04,820
beautiful and insightful and it was

1626
01:18:11,079 --> 01:18:08,059
great it was again it was for a new

1627
01:18:13,599 --> 01:18:11,089
audience so that's great but as the show

1628
01:18:16,779 --> 01:18:13,609
has gone on I get what they're doing

1629
01:18:20,469 --> 01:18:16,789
it's just it's a recycling of everything

1630
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:20,479
we already know that's not to say that

1631
01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:22,489
they have not made strides and some

1632
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:25,689
progression in terms of the military

1633
01:18:31,329 --> 01:18:28,010
acknowledging this or this or that but

1634
01:18:33,489 --> 01:18:31,339
at the same time dude it's the UFO

1635
01:18:36,459 --> 01:18:33,499
researchers working in the shadows that

1636
01:18:37,869 --> 01:18:36,469
are really doing the hard work so I

1637
01:18:40,419 --> 01:18:37,879
think we have to keep that in mind

1638
01:18:41,979 --> 01:18:40,429
do not stop what you're doing the Keith

1639
01:18:44,649 --> 01:18:41,989
pasture fields out there the day

1640
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:44,659
beauties everyone out there who's doing

1641
01:18:51,429 --> 01:18:47,689
that legwork and to the stars kind of

1642
01:18:54,579 --> 01:18:51,439
takes away from that in my opinion just

1643
01:18:56,829 --> 01:18:54,589
and doing your work yeah and I gotta say

1644
01:18:59,709 --> 01:18:56,839
God bless Sean Greenwald for doing what

1645
01:19:02,619 --> 01:18:59,719
he is doing because he took that bashing

1646
01:19:05,919 --> 01:19:02,629
he did he has taken a bastion he has

1647
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:05,929
done it well and he is

1648
01:19:11,020 --> 01:19:08,239
he's doing honest work you know and and

1649
01:19:17,290 --> 01:19:11,030
like I'll be honest I've never seen

1650
01:19:19,659 --> 01:19:17,300
Alejandro Rojas it's like God never gets

1651
01:19:23,020 --> 01:19:19,669
angry no I've never seen Alejandro Rojas

1652
01:19:26,169 --> 01:19:23,030
angry at all and and I was watching that

1653
01:19:29,290 --> 01:19:26,179
Twitter thread and I'm like oh my god

1654
01:19:30,969 --> 01:19:29,300
yeah really hey if anything this whole

1655
01:19:33,459 --> 01:19:30,979
thing that's happened in the past couple

1656
01:19:36,699 --> 01:19:33,469
years has made UFO researchers

1657
01:19:39,429 --> 01:19:36,709
passionate again and we lost that for a

1658
01:19:41,949 --> 01:19:39,439
long time so you know what while it

1659
01:19:45,399 --> 01:19:41,959
might be divisive it's also really

1660
01:19:47,919 --> 01:19:45,409
really getting our flames going so I

1661
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:47,929
hope we can use that passion work

1662
01:19:52,659 --> 01:19:51,199
together to find answers because I agree

1663
01:19:54,699 --> 01:19:52,669
with a lot of what the young guns are

1664
01:19:56,859 --> 01:19:54,709
doing I agree a lot with what people

1665
01:19:58,989 --> 01:19:56,869
like John Greenwald are doing and we are

1666
01:20:01,299 --> 01:19:58,999
getting some incredible journalism

1667
01:20:04,569 --> 01:20:01,309
coming out of Tyler rogue away Alejandro

1668
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:04,579
Johnny Wald they're all doing amazing

1669
01:20:10,029 --> 01:20:07,610
work so you know what if that's what it

1670
01:20:12,459 --> 01:20:10,039
comes down to the way that this topic is

1671
01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:12,469
covered I want to read everything that

1672
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:14,719
all of those people have to say because

1673
01:20:17,619 --> 01:20:16,249
we're at the end of the day we are all

1674
01:20:20,259 --> 01:20:17,629
in this together we're just trying to

1675
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:20,269
find answers yeah absolutely and I mean

1676
01:20:26,379 --> 01:20:23,360
if people can use to the stars Academy

1677
01:20:29,589 --> 01:20:26,389
as a gateway drug that more power to you

1678
01:20:31,869 --> 01:20:29,599
if it caught if it wanted you know

1679
01:20:32,949 --> 01:20:31,879
pushes you to look into this stuff more

1680
01:20:36,639 --> 01:20:32,959
then that's great

1681
01:20:40,839 --> 01:20:36,649
yeah that's fantastic oh yeah man T TSA

1682
01:20:42,759 --> 01:20:40,849
is the marijuana to the cocaine yeah

1683
01:20:44,379 --> 01:20:42,769
like I like to think of myself as the

1684
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:44,389
cocaine right now yeah you come to my

1685
01:20:53,709 --> 01:20:49,010
podcast or getting the cocaine yeah the

1686
01:20:55,689 --> 01:20:53,719
our strange cocaine podcast yeah well

1687
01:20:58,330 --> 01:20:55,699
speaking of that dude wrapping things up

1688
01:21:00,819 --> 01:20:58,340
here you're back the show is back I

1689
01:21:03,819 --> 01:21:00,829
can't believe it we were all waiting so

1690
01:21:05,979 --> 01:21:03,829
so patiently but you are back and the

1691
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:05,989
floodgates have opened new music new

1692
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:08,510
formatting what can we expect moving

1693
01:21:11,939 --> 01:21:10,249
forward with the our strange skies

1694
01:21:15,339 --> 01:21:11,949
podcast what are you gonna be covering

1695
01:21:16,179 --> 01:21:15,349
so you're gonna get you're gonna get

1696
01:21:17,889 --> 01:21:16,189
Lonnie Zamora

1697
01:21:18,580 --> 01:21:17,899
we're finally finally batten down the

1698
01:21:21,170 --> 01:21:18,590
hatches

1699
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:21,180
probably get Lonnie Zamora and around

1700
01:21:27,500 --> 01:21:23,760
September oh yeah we're finishing up the

1701
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:27,510
final portions of the research we're

1702
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:30,450
gonna do a deep dive into Roswell we're

1703
01:21:35,150 --> 01:21:32,850
gonna do we're gonna cover the timeline

1704
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:35,160
we're gonna cover the theories we're

1705
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:38,130
gonna color it cover Phillip Jake horses

1706
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:40,890
crazy crap all that good stuff we're

1707
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:43,410
gonna we're going to Brazil we're gonna

1708
01:21:50,270 --> 01:21:45,530
be talking about Brazil we're gonna be

1709
01:21:52,970 --> 01:21:50,280
talking about man so many so many great

1710
01:21:55,820 --> 01:21:52,980
things coming up wow that's awesome dude

1711
01:21:59,360 --> 01:21:55,830
well I I for one can say I'm so happy

1712
01:22:01,460 --> 01:21:59,370
you're back a vacation well needed from

1713
01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:01,470
the research that you've done so it's

1714
01:22:06,350 --> 01:22:02,910
good to see you're coming back in full

1715
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:06,360
force and where can we find the show and

1716
01:22:12,380 --> 01:22:09,360
everything you're up to so if you want

1717
01:22:14,450 --> 01:22:12,390
to you know stalk me on the internet I'm

1718
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:14,460
out there on Facebook Twitter Instagram

1719
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,490
search for our strange skies you can

1720
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:19,920
listen to the podcast anywhere at this

1721
01:22:25,700 --> 01:22:23,370
point just search for us and we've got a

1722
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:25,710
back catalog but we're coming strong

1723
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,600
we're telling the we're telling the

1724
01:22:30,910 --> 01:22:29,760
great stories the great stories that

1725
01:22:36,250 --> 01:22:30,920
need to be told

1726
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:36,260
absolutely and what's the patreon - yes

1727
01:22:43,820 --> 01:22:39,840
patreon.com slash our strange skies at

1728
01:22:46,100 --> 01:22:43,830
the $5 a month level you get some great

1729
01:22:50,810 --> 01:22:46,110
bonus episodes that's kind of where we

1730
01:22:52,130 --> 01:22:50,820
put our our meltdowns which if you don't

1731
01:22:56,260 --> 01:22:52,140
know what a meltdown is it's basically

1732
01:22:59,300 --> 01:22:56,270
where myself and some guests watch

1733
01:23:00,980 --> 01:22:59,310
really weird UFO documentaries and

1734
01:23:04,700 --> 01:23:00,990
movies and stuff like that and then we

1735
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:04,710
just tear it apart it's fun we we

1736
01:23:13,670 --> 01:23:09,480
recently watched UFOs the best evidence

1737
01:23:18,020 --> 01:23:13,680
everyone into with the ever ever the

1738
01:23:21,530 --> 01:23:18,030
greatest of the 90s Jonathan Frakes so

1739
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:21,540
we we ripped into the UFO footage in

1740
01:23:26,900 --> 01:23:24,210
that it was fun I remember those man

1741
01:23:29,330 --> 01:23:26,910
there were some freaky looking UFOs in

1742
01:23:31,170 --> 01:23:29,340
there mostly balloons but some of them

1743
01:23:34,350 --> 01:23:31,180
are pretty astounding

1744
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:34,360
yes some of them were I think we I think

1745
01:23:37,230 --> 01:23:36,130
we found three of them that were good in

1746
01:23:39,780 --> 01:23:37,240
that thing but you know uh

1747
01:23:41,670 --> 01:23:39,790
you'll get hours of entertainment hours

1748
01:23:43,530 --> 01:23:41,680
of entertainment Oh Jonathan Frakes you

1749
01:23:45,930 --> 01:23:43,540
are you're sorely missed in the UFO

1750
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:45,940
community alien autopsy - yes absolutely

1751
01:23:51,570 --> 01:23:49,810
alien autopsy yeah he was he was all

1752
01:23:55,500 --> 01:23:51,580
over the place in the 90s man he was

1753
01:23:59,370 --> 01:23:55,510
doing that he what the heck was another

1754
01:24:06,450 --> 01:23:59,380
show that he had are you beyond belief

1755
01:24:08,670 --> 01:24:06,460
yes yeah so great so create well hey I

1756
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:08,680
can't thank you enough for kicking back

1757
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:11,170
a root beer with me today here on UFO

1758
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:13,120
happy hour these are always my favorite

1759
01:24:17,370 --> 01:24:15,970
episodes so thank you so much Rob

1760
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:17,380
Kristofferson for coming back on

1761
01:24:21,870 --> 01:24:20,080
somewhere in the skies thanks for having

1762
01:24:26,020 --> 01:24:21,880
me again man it's always a blast and

1763
01:25:05,750 --> 01:24:26,030
happy world UFO day yeah

1764
01:25:07,450 --> 01:25:05,760
[Music]

1765
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:07,460
[Applause]

1766
01:25:11,660 --> 01:25:09,930
somewhere in the skies is produced by

1767
01:25:13,610 --> 01:25:11,670
Third Kind productions in association

1768
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:13,620
with the entertainment one podcast